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Сообщение niafa » Май 25th, 2009, 12:27 am

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FatChanceBellyDance

Апологеты ATS:

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еще:
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Одно время только по их двд и занималась,так меня Каролина вдохновила своими волнами животом и трясками. А какое единение у них в труппе!!!! Просто супер. У них многому можно научиться! Что я собственно и делаю:)



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Черт, девочки... АТС под "АИШУ"!!! я пищщу!





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Дааааааа,под Аишу - это нечто!!!!!! СУПЕР!



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who we are-FCBD




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Tribal Nights















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Прикольно - на последних роликах совсем индийские костюмки!



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FatChanceBellyDance at The Body Art Expo




FatChanceBellyDance at Electric Vardo





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Забавный ролик: :D



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Новое видео, этого года.
На сколько я поняла, это реклама нового диска ФЧБД под названием "Devotion" (примерный перевод Преданность, надеюсь наши англоязычные помогут...), который выходит в январе 2009 года и одноименного шоу, которое они будут представлять в этом году.

Пребываю в легком шоке... Пока мы с Вами сидим и пыжимся с начальной базой АТСа :mad: :confused: :angry: o.O , сам АТС активно развивается, и активно пошел в сторону Индии.




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В ФэтЧенсБеллиДэнс есть "original 5". Это те, кто были в первом оригинальном составе.
Это:
Carolena
Paulette
Jill
Thorn
Rina.
4 имени довольно известны в нашей среде.
А вот здесь о загадочной пятой особе:
http://www.thorncoyle.com/

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А возможно поподробней инфу об остальных 4 ориджиналах?))



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А возможно поподробней инфу об остальных 4 ориджиналах?))

И про Каролину тоже???
Ты че???

Carolena= Каролина Нериккио, Директор ФэтЧенсБеллиДэнс
Paulette= Paulette Rees-Denis (Gypsy Caravan )
Jill= JILL PARKER (Ultra Gypsy)
Thorn=T. Thorn Coyle
Rina= Rina Roll

Про Паулет и Джилл информации в интернете масса, а вот про Рину поиск ничего не дает. Видимо она давно и непоправимо ушла во фламенко, не оставив никаких следов.:)



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Видимо она давно и непоправимо ушла во фламенко, не оставив никаких следов.


Да, Рина активно живет во фламенко и не менее успешно, чем в трайбле.

С трудом узнала в этой танцовщице ту самую милую Рину с первого диска FCBD :love:

http://www.rinaorellana.com



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Свет, ну я туплю:))))) Сорри:) Паулетту и Торн не знаю...
ВАУ! Оксана! Спасибо за бесценную информацию про Рину!!!!!!! :crazyfun:



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С трудом узнала в этой танцовщице ту самую милую Рину с первого диска FCBD


:O o.O :O
Я тоже.



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Паулетту не знаю...


http://www.gypsycaravan.us/

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Статья про историю АТС, написанная Риной:

A History of American Tribal Style Bellydance *
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by Rina Orellana Rall, principal dancer FCBD, 1988-1998
Introductory Statement
American Tribal Style Bellydance is a fairly new dance form with its origins in traditional Middle Eastern dance. The components of this history include the gypsy dancers that inspired the Orientalists of the nineteenth century and the introduction of the dance into the United States at the Chicago World's Fair in 1893. The gypsy dance then transformed into an urban cabaret dance style to please a colonial audience in Egypt. Also included in this history are the teachers of the last fifty years that are the direct lineage of what is presently known as American Tribal Style: Jamila Salimpour, director of Bal-Anat, Masha Archer, director of the San Francisco Classic Dance Troupe, and Carolena Nericcio, director of FatChance BellyDance. Bellydance in the modern era has always modified to suit the expectations of its audiences and that is what links nineteenth century gypsy dancers of the Middle East with twentieth century modern American dancers.

Brief Overview of Bellydance and Definition of American Tribal Style
When a particular dance is taken out of its cultural context and placed on a stage, it changes. It does so to satisfy its new audience and their expectations. Bellydance as secular entertainment from the Middle East, however, has always adapted and changed to fit the expectations of its audiences. The impetus for the adaptability is an economic one. It is to encourage the audiences to give more money to the dancers. This is true for the gypsy dancers who originated it, true for the Arab cabaret dancers who transformed it, and true for the American dancers who have adopted it. My focus here is to study American Tribal Style Bellydance, which has its roots in the gypsy dances of the Middle East, but carries the modern touch of American artistic sensibilities.

A prime example of American Tribal Style performed today is from FatChance BellyDance, of which I am the assistant director and have been performing with since 1989. I have a tendency to want to use the dance form as my own vehicle of self expression without paying much attention to the cultural context. However, I know that without the cultural background I never would have been given the dance for inspiration. Therefore, I will focus on the direct lineage that led up to FatChance's style and the cultural context from which the dance form originated.

The lineage begins with the gypsy dancers of North Africa, particularly the Ghawazee of Egypt and the Ouled Nail of Algeria. The gypsy dancers were introduced to the United States in 1893 at the Great Columbia Exposition in Chicago. The stir that these dancers created spawned into burlesque shows and inspired a whole new Hollywood genre of the vamp. Arabic dancers were attracted to this glamour and wanted to emulate Western ideals. Therefore they adopted the Hollywood version as their own. Thus, traditional modern Egyptian cabaret bellydance is an American construct that was modified by Arabs for their own artistic and economic needs.

Jamila Salimpour, an American, is considered the originator of American Tribal Style Bellydance. Her dance group, Bal-Anat, paved the way for others to use a fusion of the various regional dances of the Middle East and North Africa as inspiration for their own version of bellydance. Masha Archer, a former student of Jamila, added more uniformity to the new style by not distinguishing between the regions and simply identifying it as bellydance. Carolena Nericcio formed FatChance BellyDance after studying with Masha and blends the methodologies of the two teachers. What these American artists have in common with their gypsy originators is that they all adapted the dance to suit their needs for survival and for entertainment value.

Bellydance has many different names and many different styles from various regions. Here in the United States, the most popular style performed is the traditional Egyptian cabaret style known as Raks al Sharki or Oriental Dance. However, a new style has emerged, especially on the west coast, American Tribal Style Bellydance. It is an ethnic fusion style, influenced by Middle Eastern dance but inspired by American artistic sensibilities. It has nothing to do with representing a particular tribe, but it combines movement vocabularies and regional costuming to form one cohesive presentation. The "American" part of the label acknowledges that the dancers are continents away from the culture that created the dance form and are taking artistic license with it. Yet they still must acknowledge, respect and honor the roots.1 The look of American Tribal Style seems authentic because of its resemblance to various gypsy tribes throughout North Africa, the Middle East, and India. Often, Arabs comment that the style reminds them of 'home'. However, the costumes are not authentic but give the feeling of home.2

The Gypsy Past
Bellydance has origins in ancient fertility cults and assisting child birth at a time when religion was an integral part of daily life and had relevance to every aspect of human existence.3 However, the female pelvic dance died out in many parts of the world, but remained in areas such as the Middle East and North Africa.4 It then progressed from a religious sphere into the realm of spectacle and entertainment by a new class of professional dancers.

The acceptability of dance in the Middle East has been entwined with women's role in society. No well bred Egyptian woman would ever consider dancing in public. Dance as a social past time in the confines of the home was acceptable for women only to entertain each other. Professional dance was the domain of the lower classes as it was limited to "gypsies, minority communities and the poorer members of society."5 These dancers were distrusted for their rebellious ways, yet they were welcomed into the homes of the upper classes to animate family festivities.

Gypsies have always assimilated local customs and traditions and made them their own. They polished and amplified the local dance and music in order to use them as a means of livelihood. Therefore, when the French found the dance in North Africa in 1798 during Napoleon's invasion, the gypsy dancers soon discovered that the French soldiers were a new and bountiful source of revenue. They adapted their repertoire to entice more income.6

The French saw the Ouled Nail of Algeria and the Ghawazee of Egypt and generically named their gypsy dances danse du ventre, dance of the stomach. The direct English translation of bellydance became adopted by Westerners although there are various names given to the dances of the distinct regions. The European foreigners were the first to document the Ghawazee and the Ouled Nail. The native elite and educated did not feel that the dance was respectable nor important enough to record. Naturally, the dancers became an obsession for many Western travelers because of the supposed forbidden sensuality the dancers represented.

Introduction of Bellydance to the United States
Most records of Arabic dance, written and visual, were from Western artists and travelers, mainly from the nineteenth century, the Orientalist Age. They depicted themes connected with women, especially the dancers, to express a languid life in the harsh heat of the East. Orientalism can be described as a projection of exotic fantasy over the reality of life in the East and offers an escape to the repressed confinement of nineteenth century Europe and the United States. The distorted fantasy of exoticism, ignorance, and exploitation was preferred because it better suited the Orientalist's personal vision or artistic purpose. It was against this background that the danse du ventre arrived in Chicago, "as a cultural exhibit, as an amusement for the masses, and as a means to offset the gigantic costs of the exposition."7 It was here that the dance would alter itself again for economic motives. This time not by the dancers' choice but by the promoters' choice.

The Great Columbia Exposition in Chicago occurred in 1893 and offered troupes of indigenous entertainers in its entertainment section, the Midway Plaisance: a Moorish palace, Turkish and Persian theaters and a street from Cairo. The Cairo Street attracted capacity crowds where the performers were simply 'dancing girls' doing the 'hootchie-kootchie'.8 The Ghawazee dancers, particularly a mysterious dancer named Little Egypt, performed at the fair to titillated and scandalized audiences. Yet the dancers also disappointed those who expected to see the glorified fantasies of the Orientalist paintings.9 The financial success of the 1893 ethnological exhibits of foreign customs and pastimes quickly gave way to peep shows inspired by the exotic East. Cultural tradition was disregarded with the new burlesque entertainment. After 1893, many dancers claimed to be Little Egypt and performed in burlesque shows more boldly and more outrageously than the original had at the Chicago Fair. Carnivals began to spring up containing shows that featured one version or another of "the dance that shocked Chicago."10 They soon became a staple for the booming amusement industry and the dance's notoriety was secured with the unsavory reputation of the burlesque business.

While the dance was bastardized into the "hootchie kootchie" in the United States, back in Egypt, the dance was being transformed into a proper city entertainment. The cabaret style developed in the clubs of Algiers, Beirut, and Cairo, mainly to satisfy the demands of a colonial audience. In the 1920's the cabaret costume in the Middle East also adapted to satisfy this new audience. The costume "owed its inspiration to Hollywood, where female allure was associated with the vamp."11 The Arab dancers adopted the new cabaret uniform of bra, low-slung gauzy skirt with side slits and bare midriff. Films also became popular at this time and featured cabaret dancing as a brief diversion. However, Hollywood exerted the greatest influence on Arabic film. The Oriental dance fantasy filtered through and "was taken up and unconsciously parodied by Arab dancers in their desire to emulate Western behavior and modes of fashion."12

Jamila Salimpour
It was this style of dance that first attracted Jamila Salimpour. She is credited by many for starting the revival of bellydance in the United States and being the originator of what is now known as American Tribal Style. She also developed a method of verbal breakdown and terminology for the movements she learned from visiting performers of the Middle East. Her introduction to the dance came with her father's descriptions of Ghawazee dancers in Egypt while he was stationed there with the Sicilian military. She also accompanied her Egyptian landlady to Egyptian movies where dance was featured. She tried to remember every move she had seen: "And so, from my father's recollections, my landlady's firsthand knowledge, and from the movie's examples, this was how I got my dance information."13

She began teaching dance in the early 1950's, but had difficulty because she had never formally learned the dance and did not know how to teach it. It was until she began dancing in San Francisco in the 1960's and owned the Bagdad Cabaret on Broadway that she was exposed to dancers hired from different countries in the Middle East. At this point she began to catalogue movements and create a usable dance vocabulary:

As I worked with and watched dancer after dancer, I would try to describe to my dancer friends some of the things I had seen that were different. If a movement was similar or related in some form, I categorized it as a family. I mentally catalogued as much as I could remember and included it in my format.14

The accumulation of information created a vast repertoire for her students to choreograph their own pieces.

Jamila had concentrated on the traditional cabaret style that was suitable for nightclubs, but in 1967 she began losing some of her students. She learned they were going in costume to the Renaissance Pleasure Faire in Northern California and performing spontaneously throughout the Faire. The organizer of the Faire pleaded with her to control the situation. Therefore, she formed the group Bal-Anat to organize the dancers for performing at the Faire and to keep her students.15

Jamila's experience as an acrobat with the Ringling Brothers Circus while she was a teenager became essential training for the new group's format. She patterned the troupe after a circus-like variety show that someone might see at a bazaar in the Middle East. The variety show contained dance numbers that were three to five minutes in length and represented a cross-section of old styles from the Middle East. Her American students represented musicians from Egypt and Morocco, an Ouled Nail dancer from Algeria, Turkish dancers and male tray dancers.16 Bal-Anat's style was not identified at the time because each member represented a different regional dance and wore the appropriate costume. However, they could be identified as American Tribal Style because of the ethnic fusion definition, and because they modified their show for an American audience on an American stage. 17

The format of Bal-Anat was imitated all over the United States, even though the new practitioners usually did not know from where the style originated. "Indeed, many people thought it was the 'real thing' when in fact it was half real and half hokum."18 The audiences at the Faire thought that they were witnessing authentic dances even though the leaflet informed them the group was from many tribes. Jamila speculates that is where the expression "tribal dancing" originated. While directing Bal-Anat for the Renaissance Pleasure Faire, Jamila continued to train her students in the cabaret style. She often sent them to perform at the various nightclubs in the San Francisco Bay Area even after she retired from performing.

Masha Archer
Masha Archer discontinued her studies with Jamila once she was ready to be funneled into the clubs. She studied with Jamila Salimpour for two and a half years before founding the San Francisco Classic Dance Troupe which existed for fourteen years (1970's through mid 1980's). According to Masha, Jamila felt that the dance deserved a better venue than restaurants and bars, but there was nothing that could be done about it: "She was imparting that as disgusting as the scene may be, you have to put up with it because that's the only game in town."19 Also, if you were a teacher, you must teach your students to tolerate the situation and cooperate.

Masha adopted the dance but had a different vision of interpreting it. She is a controversial figure because of her views of the maintenance and expression of this dance form. She feels that Middle Easterners are unfit for the job of caretakers of this dance. The culture is ashamed of the dance and abusive towards women. Also, the dance has been controlled by their government and disrespected by male club owners.20 She feels that American women have honored it more and deserve to adopt it.

Masha's original discipline had been drawing and she used the dance to express the lines she imagined. She considers it her artistic heritage to be inspired by something and responsibly use whatever part one likes:

What's right is that we take what we find and do the best we can. We won't do anything but bring it, our culture, their culture, and our own experience higher and show this higher experience to the audience and move their experience to a higher plane.21

She did not use any label at the time to define her style. It was simply "bellydance". Carolena Nericcio, member of her troupe for seven years, jokingly calls Masha's style, "Tribal Art Noveau, because she wanted her costuming to reflect more of a European art mixture."22

Masha's approach to costuming was influenced by Jamila, but she took it further "into a mad, rapacious, acquisitive eclecticism. We looked like some sort of European, Parisian-Tunisians with a very strong Byzantine tribal look, which was completely invented."23 Masha maintained that the look was seemingly authentic because of the tribal jewelry and antique pieces from the Middle East and Europe. She referred to it, though, as "Authentic Modern American" because of the American concept of taking liberties with authenticity and origins.

Masha also had an American attitude for choosing different types of music for bellydancing. She found that only using the popular music of the Middle East for the dance, which was expected, was a narrow way of looking at it. She decided that there were many sources of music that had related expressions, such as folkloric musical sources from other countries, even opera and classical music.24

Masha refused to perform in bars and restaurants and preferred to perform at cultural events. By doing this, she brought about an awareness that there were other places that bellydance could be shown besides restaurants and bars. Bellydance can be a part of theater where people go for the purpose of seeing art performed. However, she did not refer only to a formal stage. She maintained that the Renaissance Faire was an excellent environment for the dance because people expected to see a show from the dancers and not have them merely as an erotic enhancement to dinner. "We are to be considered timeless dancers of this world."25 Masha was very aware that she was taking extreme liberties with this dance and its cultural roots, but she felt strongly that the dance form was so special and so deserving of respect that no matter what she did with it, it would be beautiful. That was the ultimate legacy that she imparted to her students.

Carolena Nericcio
Carolena Nericcio began studying with Masha Archer at the age of fourteen. She trained with her for seven years before starting FatChance BellyDance in 1987. FatChance is a blend of the two methodologies in terms of costuming and stage format. The tribal style format came from Jamila: "...the chorus, the set up of the half moon chorus and the dancers coming out individually to do a small two or three minute routine and then going back into the chorus."26 They follow Jamila's style of using heavy costuming but Masha's style of having the same fusion look for everyone. Carolena impresses to her students the same demanding stage presence and personality in public that Masha and Jamila taught. She also carries over the intensity of the dancers' encouragement of each other with zhagareets (the vocal ululation) during a performance. A direct linkage to Masha is the posture, keeping the chest lifted and graceful, and maintaining a sense of integrity.27

Masha took liberties with this form because she felt it was permitted by her artistic heritage. Carolena, however, brought the dance closer to its cultural roots by using mainly North African and Middle Eastern folkloric music and keeping the movements basic to bellydance:

Given the dance style and given Masha's training and then given my own opportunity to go out there, I didn't feel I could keep creating more and more of it. Then it really would become modern dance and it wouldn't be bellydance at a certain point.28

Carolena has a profound respect for the culture from where bellydance originates. But she also considers herself an artist that wants to piece together desirable pieces: "I want to be able to push that culture into more creative ideas but I also want to defend it from people that would take apart the structure of it."29 True to the gypsy nature of adaptability for survival, the main emphasis in her structure is an "aesthetically pleasing style,"30 that provides a good show. FatChance dances to music that inspires them and contributes to the folkloric, tribal feeling of the troupe.

When asked if she sees American Tribal Style as purely American or as a different form of the cultural context, Carolena replies that it is both. Sometimes it is more American and sometimes it is more Egyptian:

Sometimes when we're presenting something to an American audience, they don't really understand it, even though all the cultural mystery has been pulled out of it so that it's as easy as possible for an American to understand. They still don't get it. Same thing when an Egyptian sees us, they probably get confused because they're accustomed to seeing one kind of gesturing and they're seeing something else.31

What is most important, though, is that the dancers keep the spirit true to the culture.

Carolena knows the importance of staying true to the cultural context, but she knows that American Tribal Style is here to stay and it will constantly evolve. She acknowledges that the dancers have a responsibility to bring more integrity to the dance and to maintain the spirit of the cultural roots. However, she has opposing feelings about how she would like to see this dance evolve in the next fifty years. Part of her would like to see the dance gain respectable theatrical status on the stage. But she also realizes that an important part would be lost because the dance's essence is the interaction with the people "right there on the street."32 However, she would like to see a standardized protocol for hiring bellydancers so that they would automatically receive those items necessary for performing: "... where it would be respected, where the sound system would be real, and the surfaces we danced on were real."33

The American lineage of this dance form represented varying circumstances for its evolution. Jamila Salimpour started Bal-Anat out of economic necessity and represented various regions in her dance repertoire. Masha Archer was more concerned with the beauty of the dance form and disengaged herself from the original culture. Carolena Nericcio modifies the dance to keep the audience entertained but always maintains the spirit of the culture of Middle Eastern gypsies. The uniting factor of the three teachers in the American Tribal Style lineage is the passion for the essence of the dance form as opposed to representing an exact replica of the original gypsy dancers.

Conclusion
Bellydance has progressed on its own in the last hundred years from being a gypsy dance meant to entice soldiers to empty their pockets, to being a cabaret dance form with Hollywood as its influence. The last fifty years have shown that Americans have adopted it and modified it for their own artistic inspirations while still acknowledging its cultural roots. American Tribal Style is only one variation of the many forms of the generic word bellydance. The facts of this secular dance form is that it is meant for entertainment and will always evolve to suit the expectations of its audience. Jamila sums up the unstoppable evolution of bellydance: "Tradition is not static. Every generation draws from the past. Evolving from the salon and street performer, to the night club, and concert hall,...the Oriental dance will endure... I don't object to anything as long as it is entertaining."34

*submitted, San Francisco State University, 1997




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Нынешний состав участниц и преподавателей ФЧБД:

Carolena Nericcio
Director and Master Teacher

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Wendy Allen
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Anita Lalwani
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Marsha Poulin
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Последний кусочек просто потрясный! А на 3:48-3:58, 4:20-4:25, 4:50-4:55 - это что было?..



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Последний кусочек просто потрясный! А на 3:48-3:58, 4:20-4:25, 4:50-4:55 - это что было?..


Это что-то "новенькое" от ФЧБД. :cool:



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We can't seem to get the attention of any big name funders, so we are creating our own FCBD Fundraiser items for Devotion! We have yummy Dagoba Chocoalte in four flavors for $5 a bar...

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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Confessor » Июнь 3rd, 2009, 11:10 am

Шоколадки от FCBD!!! С ума сойти! Где бы их раздобыть :glasses: Фсех 4 вкусов!
А фиговинка на белом фоне - это что такое? Крышка от чего-то?
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Сообщение Tish » Июнь 3rd, 2009, 11:13 am

я так подозреваю, что в скором времени выйдет 8 диск)))
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Трайблханум » Июнь 3rd, 2009, 11:38 am

Tish писал(а):я так подозреваю, что в скором времени выйдет 8 диск)))

Не знаю на счет скоро, но я так поняла что да. ;)
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Трайблханум » Июнь 3rd, 2009, 11:51 am

Это коробочка:
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Now you can have your very own FCBD mint tin, filled with strong peppermint pastilles to pop right before that big performance. Keep in your dance bag for those late night gigs, a must have for the true FCBD collector. When the mints are gone, you can use the tin for hat pins and bindis!

В общем, забота о трайбалицах по высшему разряду. А еще мне очень понравилось что потом в ней можно хранить бинди. :nope:
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Трайблханум » Июнь 17th, 2009, 11:46 pm

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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Tish » Август 7th, 2009, 10:06 pm

свежачёк)))

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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Lea Maiastra » Август 8th, 2009, 10:09 am

Эх, как же я их люблю! :surprise:
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Трайблханум » Октябрь 27th, 2009, 1:54 am

А это фотографии с Hafla (аналог нашей мини-пати) 5 августа в Студии ФЧБД.

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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Pike » Декабрь 4th, 2009, 3:51 am

Kristine and Marsha of FatChanceBellyDance swirling thier fluffie pantaloons at Tribal Fest!
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вот вам и шаровары..кружевные... :mrgreen:
нарыто на сайте Кроули.
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Power house » Январь 10th, 2010, 2:04 pm

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FCBD с Рейчел и Фредерик:)
И создал Бог женщину...существо получилось злобное,но симпатичное:)
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Power house » Январь 10th, 2010, 2:08 pm

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на гей-параде :D так была подписана фотка на трайб.нет ;)
И создал Бог женщину...существо получилось злобное,но симпатичное:)
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Power house » Январь 10th, 2010, 2:11 pm

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И создал Бог женщину...существо получилось злобное,но симпатичное:)
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Ноэми » Январь 11th, 2010, 12:08 am

Какие они прикольные без сценического макияжа!
Круги парадокса расходились по морю причинноследственности.
Т. Пратчетт
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Lea Maiastra » Февраль 22nd, 2010, 1:38 pm

Я давно заметила - у них на шейках одинаковые подвески.
Они что-то означают-кто знает? Типа "фирменного знака"?
А без мейкапа и правда - милые такие :flirt:
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение Power house » Февраль 22nd, 2010, 1:47 pm

Такую подвеску Вэнди себе даже на спине набила в виде татуировки. И стоят эти подвески бешеных денег и продаются у них в магазине.
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Re: FatChanceBellyDance

Сообщение sickness » Февраль 22nd, 2010, 2:09 pm

это ладонь фатимы
"и здесь все так запущено, так убого..." (с)
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